I’m unsubscribing because I believe Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are different ONLY in gender. I don’t trust her any more than I trust him. I marginally trusted Bill Clinton, and watched him be impeached for a minor sexual act that has probably been committed by many men in power all over the world. At that time, every woman in the USA seemed to hate HRC for standing by him. Now she’s a heroine to them? I’ve seen her speeches differ according to what group she happened to be speaking to and I’m aware of how many delegates she could afford to buy with her wealth. I had some hope when President Obama was elected and I did vote for him, but aside from the insufficient healthcare plan/reform he passed, none of his campaign “promises” came to fruition. We are still at war, still holding prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, still lying to US citizens and the rest of the world, and still mistreating women, the poor, the racially or religiously different, just the same as always. We are a nation of hypocrites, with just a small number of exceptions. Unless you happen to be a rich, white male, in this country, and in this rare case a rich white female, there is very little hope for change. I’m writing in Senator Sanders for President and after that, my involvement with politics is over. I respect what he was able to do, but after seeing how many citizens he had supporting him and how many primaries were stolen from him without consequence, I finally admitted to myself that fighting this farce of a political system is futile.
Here is the response my mom wrote and sent to the Sanders campaign after receiving an invitation to his new “Our Revolution” group. It’s a moving statement and I urge you to read it.
I’m too disappointed to hope anymore. I’m 62 years old and lived through the assassinations of JFK, MLK, RFK, and so many others who could have done something to change the course of this country, and you were my last hope. I will not vote for Trump or Clinton. I will write your name in, and that will be my last political involvement. I’m tired of hoping and praying for an America that probably hasn’t existed since the 1800’s. I’ve marched, donated, and watched my brothers and sisters die in Viet Nam and the streets of the USA for NOTHING. The only thing that matters to this government is MONEY and how they can get more of it from those who have the least. I am ashamed to be an American. We are the laughing stock of the world, and I don’t see an end to that viewpoint. When my husband and I are gone, I sincerely hope my son and his significant other can sell what little land we own and leave America for a safer place, if there is one left. I just do not have the will or energy to believe anymore. My generation tried, at least, to revolt. There won’t be a revolution. I wish you well and applaud your effort, but I realize now that if you did happen to actually win the presidency, they would kill you too. All the best to you and thank you for trying. But I can’t be involved again.
The Right Wing: Children of all ages asking as crassly as possible, why is anything other than their needs their problem.
Society already recognizes that entire school of thought as inhuman and parasitic. It’s an obvious appeasement reaction in the face of the 1%. It’s stockholm syndrome. You know you can’t beat them, so you internalize their lies in a futile effort to join them.
“Selfishness beats altruism within groups. Altruistic groups beat selfish groups. Everything else is commentary”
The neocon/4chan/Ayn Rand attitude is simply the natural consequence of the altruistic groups rising to power, in turn being attacked and torn down from within by the selfish groups.
But whatever, I have no illusions. You’re all beyond the reach of reason. It’s all about dogma for you. That’s why you’re all here white knights for a redpill asshole fat shaming as an argument against sharing.
An argument in favor of the idea that we are all ants and that the ideal human future is one of eternal drudgery and service to the 1%.
I’m speaking to the historical record, I’m not speaking to any of you.
The main advantages of runaway climate change being here have to do with food, opportunity, war, and general change.
We’re going to end up with more food for a couple of reasons. Firstly, mild winters. Secondly, rainfall changes are going transform a lot of deserts. Thirdly, more co2 in the air means more for plants to work with. Fourth, there will be far less reason to discourage mechanized farming in lower income and developing nations. All of that adds up to more food for more people.
The developing world is going to have access to the same industrial revolutions that the UK and US got. Frankly it’s only fair and it’s morally urgent to raise their standard of living and that means consumption of fuels.
If climate change is annoying to us enough it will force us to shift from prevention to cure which is important for a lot of reasons. Carbon capture and storage is a skill we as a species should master anyway and is the most accessible tool we have for starting to control the weather, which we really should do anyway for a whole boatload of reasons.
Also pulling carbon out of the air allows us to make fuels. All we need to do it is process heat and that’s gonna be abundant once we embrace 4th gen nuclear reactors, or we figure out fusion. Liquid and solid fuels will always have a place in our society because of energy density and relative size. It doesn’t make sense to use a heavy battery when you can use a light tank. And we’ll always need carbon based materials for fertilizer and plastics and polymers etc.
This will all also inspire the deployment and develop desalination technologies. Change rainfall patterns will see to it that making ocean water drinkable becomes a human strong suit. We can already do it well with air craft carriers, (two hundred thousand gallons a day each) so imagine what we can do with purpose build nuclear desalination ships.
I think there will also be a general trend towards less conflict as a shared problem tends to unite people. Humanity’s slow and collective retreat from the coast lines is going to get us working together more than usual I think. Sure it will cause conflict also, all change does, but on balance I think it’ll be better than what we have now. It’ll break ruts and stalemates all over the planet.
Generally change is good and I think modern humanity needs to embrace the fact that nature isn’t kind. Or evil. It simply is. We’re going to realize that an important choice has been in our face for a long time but we put off making it: Take control of nature, or be killed by it. No matter what our time on this planet is limited and believing we can just freeze it in place with environmental protection and conservation is objectively wrong.
There are life forms that we need to wipe out. Fleas, ticks, and mosquitoes spring to mind, not to mention a whole host of bacteria and viruses. Before climate change our general attitude was that everything was all interconnected in a massive natural system designed for our benefit. That never was the case, and climate change is going to wake up a lot of people to that fact.
We rose to our position by changing the world, not preserving it’s current configuration. Ironically climate change itself is a strong demonstration for how badly we needed it. The very attitude that nature will find a way to make everything ok for us is what allowed us to complacently dump megatons of CO2 in the air every year thinking nothing would happen.
We have command of this planet’s weather, one way or the other. It will change because of us, and it has, and it is still. This means we have the power to fix whatever we deem to be broken. Nature doesn’t care either way. Nature is perfectly fine with mass extinctions and sterile planets. It’s humanity that isn’t. Ironically nature blindly demanded this tactic of us via evolution. It’s only natural that we use it.
This effort over the coming decades will unite us like nothing has ever before.
On a personal level… Honestly I feel better. There’s a cynicism to that feeling, but it’s like this:
We’ve had nuclear power as an option for decades. We instead chose to embrace fear and greed for no good reasons.
Since the climate has reached the tipping point, then the damage is in a sense already done. And there’s a freedom in that.
We no longer have to tell the third world they have to wait to embrace a better western style of life.
Nuclear advocates have tried, as hard as we could, to wake up the species. We failed. We failed vs liars, fools, and the 1% but we were on the right side of history, are on the right side. There’s comfort in that. History will definitely record that had we embraced nuclear power sooner we’d never have faced climate change. But then again, climate change may well force the widespread adoption of nuclear power and maybe that is the greatest silver lining of all. For all we know mastering fusion is another 500 years away for us for some reason.
Fission by comparison is so easy that is has happened spontaneously. It really is a lot like fire. Sure it can burn us but look at what can be accomplished when we handle fire properly. Fission is fire only 1000x better.
With China and India embracing nuclear it seems like we’ll eventually get there, but avoiding climate change is no longer the priority since that ship has sailed. Oil and energy scarcity are the root of most conflicts. Climate change is going to address that, through nuclear power.
Now it’s just about all the other advantages to nuclear, not just climate change prevention, which obviously for humanity at large was never a good enough argument. Now it’s about the space probes, cancer cures, desalination, and lifestyle upgrades for the billions of lives directly impacted by Chinese and Indian energy policy.
I like the idea of selling hope for a high tech future, instead of fear of climate change. The cruel are better at selling fear than we are. One whack job with a book accomplished more socially than benevolent informed nuclear advocates ever did.
Now it’s about what nuclear can do to make climate change survivable. Winter is more lethal than summer. A slightly warmer planet is better for technological humanity.
Climate change means centuries of new weather and new ecology. This will force us to change things, and preventing climate change was essentially all about keeping things from changing, which given how screwed up things are, never sat well with me. Humanity survives far more often than it really lives, and that’s been a solvable problem since we became tool using humans.
My whole world view’s hope value centers on change. I despise how things are. Change is badly needed, and there seems a definite upside to change being more or less imminent.
I feel like there’s more human opportunity than threat here. It’s like a coming slow motion war. A true world war with an enemy we can truly feel good about fighting. We needed this reminder as a species that nature is not our ally. It’s a blind machine that would compost us literally without thought. And now we get to find out if we’re really capable of freeing ourselves from it or taking command of it.
We need to close the loop. And we can. And soonish on global weather time scale, we’re going to have to. I think I like the idea of having to invent new forms of life to survive. I like the idea of converting nuclear silos into nuclear vertical farm robots. I like the idea of growing cloned meat instead of cows. I like the idea of humanity finally embracing the new fire. And learning to treat this planet like what it actually is. A space station.
There’s a huge political I told you so coming down the line here and we might well be able to parlay that into a substantive compassionate shift in human policy. I can’t help but feel hopeful.
I could see this ushering in the end of neocon libertarian thought. The profit above all attitude has driven us off the road. It’ll finally be time to take the wheel from the selfish and let the compassionate ones drive.
I can’t help but feel like we’re already seeing it. Something changed long ago and politically humanity is catching up. I feel like ISIS and Brexit and Sanders and Trump and Corbyn etc etc all came from the same source. The same titanic shifting under our feet.
As I see it there are two real drivers for change in human history: Environment and technology. Everything else stems from them in my opinion.
I feel like the massive political changes of the last decade were likely sourced by climate change and communications technology. And while some of those changes have been bad, I think there’s a pretty clear trend towards the good. The future of humanity seems united in the direct of change we’d like to see.
It is only the old and the foolish and the pathological screaming for austerity and death and torment and exile and all the right wing blame for victims. That bodes well for our collective future.
All the political craziness to me smacks of desperation on the part of the more cruel and dismissive elements of humanity. Their way of life is approaching the end of its viability.
They are rats cornered on a sinking ship. The future no longer belongs to them. We’re going to have really start doing what we uniquely evolved to do in order to live. Commanding nature, changing it, is natural for us. If we really want to worship the natural order we must accept the fact that there is no order beyond the laws of physics and what we impose.
Insects survive because they adapt to the environment. We survive because we change it. It’s time to start changing it on purpose and with commitment.
I say we start by wiping out the mosquito via genetic engineering.
In response to a conversation a friend and I had about BLM’s relationship to rioting I am writing this post as a kind of general statement of opinion.
There’s plenty to criticize people for. But blaming BLM for riots isn’t reasonable because It’s not like BLM are the Illuminati. The entire existence of BLM is a response to a lack of power. And without power there can be no responsibility.
So first we must think about what BLM is and isn’t actually capable of.
They don’t have the power to start or stop riots.
So knowing that, questions spring to mind. Should BLM denounce them, encourage them, or stay silent on them? Knowing they can’t prevent or cause them. Are riots justified?
In my view BLM is automatically an ally of any one who feels the police have become an oppressive, regressive, violent mafia. I’m not saying they think that, I’m saying anyone else who thinks that should see BLM as allies.
In terms of political strategy, if BLM were a monolithic organization, which it isn’t, I don’t think they should denounce rioting because if they did, and riots happened anyway, it would expose that weakness and set them against any elements of the community that have (perhaps rightfully) concluded that the time for peaceful response is at an end.
If you start to think of the police as an invading army, rioting becomes a rather merciful option. I can’t help but think that if the police here acted like the police in those areas towards my community’s children a riot would be the least of their worries.
Essentially I view riots as warning shots preceding open revolt. And open revolt has to be on the table if we expect to effectively negotiate with the state. Which is what all activism is.
This is a huge part of why I think anti-gun progressives are outright foolish. It’s like starting a game of chess by asserting that violence is wrong and banning the use of pawns.
Some describe a riot as a kind of political or economic cannibalism, as burning “their own” city. But how do you define your city as opposed to your prison? It isn’t their city when their lives are ruled by people that don’t even live there. And that’s true of all of us so long as 62 people own half the planet.
If anything a riot is the burning of a company shanty town. And let’s be honest, they aren’t that destructive anyway. A few fires, a smashed car, and some rubble in the street. They aren’t a hurricane.
Mostly they are symbolic, and a great way to force the police and the press to show their true colors, which as Gandhi has shown us can be quite effective political currency.
I could see it being described as burning collaborator businesses that demonstrably don’t care about them. Business in my view rarely helps a community. First of all the vast majority of it is corporate, which means it’s parasitic and corrupting. Corporations clearly own the press and the government, that’s the root of the problem. Rioting to destroy corporate business interests in my community seems on paper like an extremely valid response.
And don’t talk to me like jobs are inherently a good thing. They aren’t.
Ok. So I’m making this because I knew watching it would piss me off and I’ll have a bunch to say about the whole thing so here it all is on one place. And yes it badly pissed me off. But the YouTube comments made me feel better.
Telling the net Sam is full of shit is not new information to them. Yay for being on the right side of history.
It’s interesting though how much time this debate cost me. What Sam cost me. I hope the day I spent writing this is worth a day doing what I do on twitter. I’ll never know which was more helpful.
As you likely already know, I’m wildly pro #BernieOrBust http://underlore.com/bernie-or-bust/
Before the debate even begins I knew what one of the problems was going to be. Narrow focus. Sam is a minutia type guy. He’ll zoom in on tiny little regions, fight in those regions as if they are totally isolated and then move to another tiny region. That will be a recurring theme.
His core argument is SCOTUS appointments. But I shred that argument later. Long story short, SCOTUS isn’t an emperor any more than POTUS is.
So here we go.
0:00
Right away Jimmy sets himself up for a bit of a stumble. He talks about what HRC says like it matters. That’s a large and bad concession to make. The entire debate imo should center around actions not words. Mainly because HRC doesn’t mean anything she says.
2:48
Again, error. Speaking like influencing HRC’s rhetoric is influencing the party in any actual way is wrong because again nothing she says matters. We know FOR A FACT what choices she’ll make when it comes time to actually make or influence policy. She is functionally a neocon. Period. I don’t care about one word that comes out of her mouth.
4:05
See? Right away, Seder jumps into he said she said about Clinton as if her talking points matter, as if what she says matters, and Jimmy can’t refute it yet because he just gave up that ground.
4:58
Seder aiming his microscope at minutia. Yeah, Sanders wasn’t focused on process first because he hadn’t seen the cheating yet. (#ExitPollGate/#AZPrimary/#NYPrimary/etc) But what’s it matter to the big picture which happened first? It doesn’t. This is fantasy football meets daily grind for these people. (Cenk/Kyle/Sam) and all the other #UniteBlue (DINO?) cowards.
5:12
Lessig is completely irrelevant. He did it for ego and he didn’t do his homework on Bernie and he was trying to pull a Nader. I’m glad they didn’t let him in the debates. He’d have hung on splitting Bernie’s vote. I’ll always be grateful to Martin for dropping out for that reason. That man has my respect.
5:18
Sam is playing the hipster here imo. He’s only bringing up Lessig because virtually no one knows who he is in this context and wants to drop the name and show everyone how informed he is. It’s a rhetorical/ego thing, not a logic thing. And as I said the whole topic is irrelevant starting at 4:58.
5:40
Jimmy Dore deploys his biggest weapon, the fact that he’s allowed to turn everything into a joke. It’s like a rhetorical tactical nuke. And now everything Sam said between 4:58 and 5:40 becomes moot. Well done 🙂 He didn’t use this tool much further on, but that’s probably because to Jimmy this isn’t a laughing matter.
6:23
Bernie doing all the wrong things in terms of crafted presentation signals his authenticity. It screams disregard for appearance. In this context, the wrong thing is the right thing. That’s why everyone loves his hair. We love a guy who does not give a fuck.
7:08
Jimmy should not downplay Bernie’s chances and he shouldn’t hedge about “the movement” because that just goes back to rhetorical influence. If they steal the nom from Bernie this shit isn’t going to matter because HRC will just spend the next 8 years quietly making it literally impossible for anyone like Sanders to ever get that close again. This is the last progressive running for POTUS in the USA. If Bernie “loses” to her cheating, all future ones will be all talk and neolibs, or sacrificial lambs for RNC/neolib candidates to feast on.
7:45
No. Active HRC supporters lost the ignorance card months ago. No more doubt benefit for them. Now they are simply DINOs and RWNJs. They know exactly what they are voting for. The nullification theory is nice, but it’s not the case. Though it’s possible that argument will spread just because it’s impossible to disprove.
8:52
Blaming the DNC for HRC is backwards thinking because she owns the DNC. If anything we should blame the Clintons for our piss poor crop of “democrats” in all other regions of government.
Her resume is “great” for a neocon. We whine about Trump’s racist blather but when it comes to actually exterminating minorities on this planet HRC has at least a high 5 digit kill count. Seven if you include the Iraq war, which she stumped for.
9:21
Not clear Sam?? Only because you won’t pull your head out of your ass. She’s a monster. She is a literal war monger and pathological liar. #WhichHillary
11:39
Yes. Exactly. All the pro Bernie anti Hillary corruption and election fraud talk means exactly zip if the DNC knows ultimately you’ll do as you’re told. At the end of the day, if they know they can take your vote for granted, they will. Period.
In a way, because of this, I hate non #BernieOrBust #FeelTheBern types even worse than Hillary supporters because at least the HRC crowd isn’t pretending to be something they ultimately won’t be when it matters.
13:03
Yes. Neolibs = neocons + abortion. Well said.
13:19
Yes. Excellent point. We vote for people because we can’t vote for policy directly. The idea is to vote policy through people. It makes absolutely zero sense to vote in an election against your own interests. Tactical voting is a failure of the system, not a part of it.
14:08
Jimmy ends the debate for all rational people right here. Trump will not have the DNC cloak to protect his right wing madness. Plus he’ll have the RNC/white/male cloak to get leftist stuff done. It’ll be the exact opposite of Obama. We might actually slide left under Trump for many of the same reasons we’ve slid right under Obama.
HRC on the other hand will be able to get away with virtually everything, being ignored by the left and financed by the right.
Sam looks confused. How dim is this guy? His whole premise is tactically voting and then doesn’t understand that the votes were cast grudgingly. Just because someone wins an election doesn’t mean they get the support of their voters, especially in our system. What a slave brain. Guy expects extorted grudging votes to be given gleefully and with genuine support because that’s how his mind works. Guy has gone into internal appeasement mode full time.
If Trump is elected he will be opposed by the entire democratic base, half the republican base, two thirds of independents. Virtually all of the women, all of the minorities, and at least two thirds of the young. Everything he does will be news like it is right now and it will be wildly opposed whenever it’s insane.
0:00
Sam pretending he doesn’t know neoliberalism exists. Assuming voters equal supporters. Whatever pal.
2:06
Out with the microscope again. Oh they lost the senate and not the house. The point is that they were losing for the first time like ever and it terrified them. To understand why: adamcurtisfilms.blogspot.com
2:20
Yes yes let’s debate tie color percentages in march of 82. So tired of the microscope.
3:15
Drop some more names Sam. Maybe someday you’ll get to the point. Sidenote: That’s why I never watched his videos. Him and HR goodman have this same problem. They make huge rambly noise filled videos. Both are pathologically averse to getting to the point.
4:22
Finally, getting to the point. Finally recovered from his involuntary minutia senate v house correction.
4:54
Could you say “uh” a few hundred more times? I guess I can’t handle 2 milliseconds of silence and he can’t handle Jimmy having a turn to speak. Win/win. Amirite?
5:11
Bernie did not fail to get the AA/latino vote. They were virtually all crammed into the front half of the southern fried primary. And also badly disenfranchised by voter suppression laws while at the same time being hilariously misinformed by the MSM. On top of all the closed primary absurd deadlines party suppression.
You can’t rig an entire system to both suppress the minority vote, and crush insurgent candidates and then blame the candidate when they lose.
5:22
Sam’s whole theory that Bernie is tapping into something new is wrong. What changed was that he was the first real reformer to run on the democratic ticket since Carter. End of discussion. That’s the only thing that really changed.
Obama won in 08 expressly because we’ve been waiting for that and that’s what he promised.
Others could have run but they weren’t from the inside or refused to drop their egos (Nader/Greens) long enough to actually have a chance. Or of course they were cheated out of it at some earlier stage.
6:05
Are you ever gonna let Jimmy talk? Anyway. No Obama preemptively surrendered on the single payer option. He’s a neocon also. He’s just as Jimmy said, pro abortion DINO. Understand, Obamacare wasn’t an effort to save the healthcare system, it was an effort to save the insurance industry.
7:05
Yes! Exactly. Obama was dead weight on healthcare. He’s a democrat In, Name, Only.
8:10
Yea break out that microscope. God I hate this guy. He’s so hellbent on gutting his own influence. It’s pathetic. Why even talk about national policy if you want to think so narrow and specifically? Go be on some city council where the microscope is the right tool for the job.
Sam’s head is stuck in his microscope so he apparently doesn’t remember that healthcare was and is a mess because Americans could look at the whole rest of the fucking planet and see a better way and we were tired of literally sacrificing our children on the altar of insurance profits.
Jimmy’s right. It was placate us, or face the pitchforks. Sadly we got swindled. Obama bailed out the insurance industry by throwing the DNC cloak over the Heritage foundation’s plan while simultaneously throwing the public option under the bus.
Sam can’t step back and realize that at the time it didn’t matter what the republicans didn’t want because the majority was awake and screaming for once. The Establishment had two choices, fix it to our satisfaction sufficiently to douse the torches, or face joblessness after the next election because you literally picked your insurance donors over our fucking children.
Yeah. It’s called tactical voting you sanctimonious shill. If you weren’t such a robot you’d understand that people have this thing where they can do something they hate to avoid something worse, which is funny that you don’t understand because that’s the entire point of you cowards voting for HRC. Or hell, maybe it isn’t. Maybe you’re just a DINO too. Too much fame too much money.
9:21
“I’m definitely open…” he says while not shutting up long enough for his guest to answer a question. Also trying to drag Jimmy down into microscope land. “mechanically” “walk me through” etc.
9:27
Changing topic before Jimmy gets to answer.
10:01
Sam finally shuts up. But Jimmy is flustered because it’s clear that Sam is going to not let him talk if he pauses for even one second. And I’m sick of that tone like it’s absurd to think that people will vote one way and act another in a system and party utterly dependent on tactical voting.
People will vote green, and write in Bernie, or not vote at all, and then do what they do policy by policy, issue by issue.
There are two layers of politics in this country. Electoral politics and activism.
Trump can win and still be opposed by the majority. Why are we even having to explain this when the entire premise of #UniteBlue is tactical voting against your own interests!
It’s ironic. #UniteBlue says vote the candidate you hate to prevent something worse from happening. And the fact is, that’s exactly what #BernieOrBust is doing, only we don’t define “worse” based on party labels. And we can think past the upcoming election.
11:45
Hey Sam, if you’re gonna have a guest and ask them a question, how about you let them answer it? If you just wanna monologue, make a video. Oh right, no one would watch it. That’s why you’re having Jimmy here. Basically no one cares what you have to say otherwise.
13:21
SCOTUS? Really? Have you seen Obama’s pick? Are you aware that HRC is further right than Obama? Do you still not understand that simply because she’s wearing the DNC cloak whoever she picks will be assumed to be good by the bulk of the democratic base? But ANYONE Trump picks will get instant inspection and radical opposition?
I’m tired of Sam pretending party label has no impact on popular reaction when he defines victory almost exclusively by party label! It’s hair tearingly awful.
Sad fact: If HRC was running as a republican on the exact same platform she’d lose virtually all her supporters, including Sam.
13:57
And again, the microscope. SCOTUS picks aren’t emperors either. We can undo any damage they do if we control the executive and congress. That’s how checks and balances work, and we need to take them both anyway. That’s the whole point of the political revolution.
14:36
Have you seen this election? Again. #ExitPollGate You think HRC gives a flying eff about the voting rights act? Every time there is election failure and mass disenfranchisement, she wins. She’s not going to pick anyone for SCOTUS that will allow Bernie 2.0.
15:06
Yay look at all this neat stuff under my microscope! /facepalm
16:20
If you have to scream how huge the issue is, it’s probably not all that huge frankly. Nothing the SCOTUS does can’t be undone with additional legislation. Again, microscope guy thinks that his current field of vision is the entire world. Did you not notice citizen united? Society can react and respond to SCOTUS rulings.
Your buddy Cenk is all the time talking about the power of a constitutional amendment.
Quit acting like a lousy SCOTUS is the end of the world. We’ve been there for like a decade already. Scalia could have lived another 30 years. So what?
16:41
Sam’s entire argument is based on an HRC that doesn’t exist. He is calling her a democratic president. But the whole problem is SHE ISN’T A DEMOCRAT! What the eff will it take for you people to understand that?
Yeah let’s aim the microscope at her appointments. Now aim it at Bush’s appointments. Can you even see a difference? No, because there isn’t one. You’re telling me I’m supposed accept a one party system because one half of it is worse than the other half.
No. It’s gone too far already.
I am not sacrificing progressivism in America to avoid a republican president. No. Not gonna do it.
0:23
The point isn’t HRC’s appointments being better or worse than Trump. The point is killing neoliberalism so we can at some point stop picking between evils! WTF is wrong with you people?
1:28
If we can’t rely on democrats they why are you willing to saw your feet off to avoid a republican president? Why do you keep assuming HRC isn’t every bit functionally a republican?
2:29
Sam is basically Cenk. Only with a different branch. He thinks SCOTUS is an emperor. He keeps assuming the SCOTUS operates in a vacuum and isn’t subject to the checks and balances system.
If he really believes that, then what’s the point of voting in the first place? I guess in his mind we’re a double republic. We pick the people who pick the people who pick the policy now.
No.
2:45
So if Trump appointed Hitler 19 times, eventually we’d just get tired of saying no? That’s a specious assumption. Jimmy is right.
We only have to fight Trump’s picks for 4 years. You honestly think he’ll get a second term? No. Not unless he swings left HARD.
Which ironically is more likely coming from him than HRC and is all the more reason to not fear-vote for HRC as if Trump is Emperor Satan.
3:18
The look on Sam’s face when Jimmy said it’s easy to stand up is priceless because right there you see the cowardice that defines that man. Standing up is the last thing he’s capable of. He’s a whipped dog. A blue dog?
Again… HRC can’t beat Trump anyway in the general. If you’re terrified of Trump, you better start working right now to get Bernie the nomination.
5:40
Oh god oh god I’m losing, let’s aim my microscope somewhere else. Evade evade!
6:42
Sam is confusing can’t with won’t. HRC and neolibs won’t fight for us, but they will fight Trump because they don’t have a choice. End of debate.
8:01
Sam is so hung up on partisan identity politics that he misses that it’s not “Obama’s” TPP, it’s their same donor’s TPP. Their money men will pick up the phone and tell them to “compromise” and vote in favor of the TPP and bang, we’re stuck with it. They might even get a cherry on top as a reward from neolibs for suddenly “working with” them.
All the obstructionism blamed on Obama hate is theater. The obstructionism itself is the point. Do you not remember starve the beast? The moment something they want looks like it’s coming, obviously they’ll pass it.
8:11
That is exactly the point. Trump will be inept. HRC on the other hand is a pathological liar as well, only she’s good at it, at least relative to Trump, plus she has that all important DNC cloak of invisibility. Pay no attention to the neocon behind the curtain.
If Trump signed the TPP it would 100% chance die in congress.
8:53
Yes it did, but also Obama wasn’t running against Bernie Sanders he was running AS Bernie Sanders. (Sam actually denies this later which is mind blowing in its absurdity.)
It doesn’t matter what we got, the point is what we were trying to get. If we on the other hand pick HRC over Sanders, you can say goodbye to ever seeing a real progressive in the white house ever again. Ever. Trump HAS to beat her to discredit neoliberalism so that we can run someone like Bernie in 2020 with a united front and a reformed party cleared of these neoliberal saboteurs.
9:40
HRC IS NOT A PROGRESSIVE! If we let HRC masquerade as a progressive we will never get an actual one ever again.
10:15
Microscopes AND cowardice this time.
Sam is a RWNJ. I realize this now. Dude is like Cenk.
Plan B is keep fighting like we have spines. Just because surrender always works doesn’t mean it’s a good plan A.
10:35
Dude, Bush is not Trump.
Bush is a garden variety idiot right winger. No one was 100% seriously comparing Bush to Hitler. It’s so funny. You’re so terrified of what Trump might be you’ll vote Cheney/Kissinger 2016 to avoid it, and yet pretend blindness to the polarising get out the opposition vote power of a candidate your camp is literally calling Hitler. Well which is it? He’s not so bad, or he’s barbarians at the gate? It can’t be both.
10:48
Sam seems blissfully unaware of the implosion the right wing is facing now because of Trump. How nice for him.
11:35
Yes, if the choice is between a neoliberal who stole the nomination from a progressive, and a republican, we should pick the republican so that we can get the progressive we should have picked last time.
If we show that we’ll be good little doggies and vote on command when whapped with the newspaper we can say goodbye to ever getting anything other than the newspaper.
This isn’t hard to understand.
12:25
Because the leftist base like you won’t fight for anything because they will think they’ve already won. It’s exactly like how Obama gets a pass on all the neocon crap that he does, like solidify the bush tax cuts. Because HRC wears the DNC cloak she can get away quite literally with murder. Just as Obama did.
13:37
Dead on. The reason crap is so broken is because no one is willing to endure short term hardship for long term gain. Again and again they have learned that we’ll just keep voting lesser of two evils lesser of two evils lesser of two evils until finally we’ve forgotten what good even looks like.
It’s time to stand up, be willing to take a punch, and say NO MORE!
13:54
The hell it does. Trump has single handedly gutted the republican party. Are you high? Did you just call Trump establishment? Really? Apparently the RNC wasn’t informed. They threw like 15 candidates at him. He crushed them, all.
16:20
Sam still thinks what she says matters. That’s just insane. We know what she’ll do. Whatever her donors want. End of debate.
Trump doesn’t even have donors in that sense. He’s the only wild card left if it’s down to HRC v Trump.
16:27
His party won’t let him? The one that just did everything they could think of to stop him from being the nominee and failed hilariously? His party that has zero financial control over him? The same congress you think would be powerless to stop lousy SCOTUS appointments? XD
Doublethink is an art form in some brains. Guy just don’t have the mental ram to hold the whole picture in memory at the same time do you. That’s why he microscopes. He can’t think of the whole big picture all at once.
18:16
This. We’ll never see a progressive as an option if we keep kissing fear’s ring.
18:39
Dude wants precedent during the debate of an unprecedented situation. That’s climate change denier level sophistry. “Well can you show me precedent of global warming killing off humanity? I didn’t think so. HOAX!”
This is basic logic. Which would you rather have, an enemy at the gate or a traitor in your midst? A sword on your shield or a dagger in your back?
Do I really have to explain how a turn coat is more lethal than an enemy general? What planet do you live on Sam?
20:13
Sam wants a nice safe comfortable well known well researched easy path to pulling the dagger out. Well, at this point, there isn’t one. That bridge is burnt. The DNC burnt it with the cheating. #ExitPollGate and all the rest. We either stand now or get used to kneeling forever. Sam is clearly already there. He no doubt has a boot taste preference at this point.
21:04
Voting Cheney/Kissinger 2016 is not “moving the ball forward” it’s by definition voting DINO on the grounds that republicans are worse. Which means that for all future time all they gotta do is stay further right than the DNC and they win either way.
It’s like trying to win tug of war by dropping the rope. As opposed to suddenly giving slack and then yanking hard while they are off balance.
Sam is cool with a one party country just so long as that party doesn’t screw us quite as hard as it could be screwing us. O.o
Sam demands a 200 year study and citation and global consensus. Because logic isn’t good enough for a YouTube debate.
2:32
Are you high? If they get rid of the filibuster they are screwed forever the next time they are in the minority.
2:46
It’s easier for democrats to drum up opposition, among democrats to oppose republicans, than it is for democrats to drum up opposition among democrats, to oppose democrats. Do I really have to explain why that is? Tell me, which is harder, shooting your enemy in the leg or shooting your friend in the leg?
Would you rather be shooting at enemies or friends? Which is harder?
3:55
This is SO pathetic. Sam thinks “fighting” HRC is getting her to lie more like a lefty. Sam is convinced that simply calling yourself a democrat MAKES you a democrat.
Besides, that theory is shot already. Obama got elected sounding like Bernie. Turns out he’s as neocon as HRC. How easy was it for us to pull him left? Apparently not very since it didn’t happen. The man literally kills American citizens and endorses child labor to make Nike more money. And the left can’t get him to budge.
4:10
It ain’t about pulling Trump to the left either you ring licking sycophant. Quit looking for boots to polish you pathetic little toady. It’s about replacing these people and crushing everything they do until we get the replacement.
Christ you’re allergic to courage aren’t you.
4:34
No, Trump is not a neoliberal. He’s a republican. And HRC is a neoliberal. Which is a fancy word for DINO. That’s just Jimmy getting tired of being badgered.
4:56
But they will fight against Trump because he evicerated their party. Republican voters have made voting against their interests an artform.
5:09
Where’s the evidence!? Did you miss the last 8 years of Goldman Sachs rule? What protects Obama from left wing hatred? What got him reelected? Lesser of two evils, and the cloak of the DNC membership. The evidence is him getting away with TPP, whistleblower crackdowns, drone strikes, not closing gitmo, endless war, banking free pass, and on and on and on. All because spineless people like you think D = better than R no matter what.
6:14
Sam’s just completely full of it. I refuse to believe he doesn’t understand the mechanism of neoliberal DNC cover. Does he just not understand what propelled the Clintons to power?
Bull.
Closet RWNJ. Like the rest of HRCs base.
7:23
That’s it? After decades of neoliberalism, that’s your trophy case of achievement? Sounds to me like “it could be worse” lesser of two evils tactical voting simply made things worse at the end of the day. You mean giving up doesn’t work? Shocker. Bottomline question: Are things net positive or net negative under your approach? Net negative, obviously. What you are “doing” (which is to say, not doing) isn’t working.
7:30
1. What HRC say means NOTHING. 2. Lesser of two evils voting didn’t influence the color of her lies, Bernie Sanders did. Because her thought controllers realized that we are not bluffing.
7:39
You could go “on and on” taking credit for stuff #BernieOrBust has done. Yes, you could. But it wouldn’t mean anything.
8:00
Sam can’t let Jimmy speak for more than 20 seconds without interrupting him.
8:15
More deeply deeply pathetic trophies. Toys found in cereal boxes on balance. And that’s the basis of your whole strategy?
8:22
Obama care was a bailout of the insurance industry. We’d have had single payer now but for Obama’s (neolib) stabbing us in the back.
8:50
Sam is rewriting history. He thinks Healthcare reform was a unilateral political thing. Like Obama and company just decided to fight one day for health care. No dude, we got sick of feeding our kids into the for-profit wood chipper of health insurance. And we’re still sick of it, we just got divided by ppl like Sam on whether or not the insurance company bailout was a solution or not just because it briefly slowed the slide to the right.
9:50
Sam lives in fantasy football land where what a politician says is all that matters.
10:15
That’s the core of the issue. Sam here is either a liar or he’s wildly ignorant. I say liar, because I’m decent at poker, but whatever. We’ll say he’s just an innocent moron.
10:27
Yes it would be better if we get a right winger in office because then we’d actually fight unified and effectively instead of DEBATING EACH OTHER ON WHETHER OR NOT A FIGHT IS NEEDED! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!?
10:47
Yess yess you smarmy git. What do you think “yes we can” and “change” meant??
12:02
Yes, that’s indisputable. We voted for FDR and we got Bill Clinton 2.0. Watch his address. Tell me he’s not talking the Sanders talk.
WTF is Sam saying? That we were voting for just a little change? Yes we can… Compromise? No dude. Wake the eff up.
12:26
Exactly. He beat HRC the same way Sanders would be beating HRC if not for the southern fried primary and straight up election fraud. #ExtiPollGate
12:54
Again, exactly, either you think we need revolution or your don’t. Sam is clearly comfy.
13:05
Sam crying loser tears because he can’t put the revolution under his microscope and understand it. Dude is the narrowest thinker I’ve seen in this context. He’s trying to be the Chomsky of YouTube. Let’s just drill down to the most meaningless tiniest detail and live there for a year.
“And welcome folks to our 99 part series on the price of yams in ecuador and how that relates to the the economic theory prevalent in the last quarter of 1992, because I think that’s just SUPER important.”
14:59
OMFG I’m tired of Sam taking all the credit for good stuff and blaming all the bad stuff on us.
The whole reason over half the country doesn’t vote is because they recognize that voting neolib v republican is utterly pointless!
The whole reason the right controls what it does is because neoliberalism isn’t working!
17:06
Sam denies that having a neoliberal in the mix splits the left but look at what we’re doing. Having a debate between leftists over whether or not our enemy is our enemy. If the election was between Trump and Trump. We wouldn’t be having a discussion. But because it’s Trump and HRC we are, ONLY ONLY because she’s labeled a democrat. End of debate.
17:38
That’s what you call letting Jimmy have the last word? Such a petulant child. Yes yes Sammy, it’s YOUR show, you win. /head pats.
